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Family G Napríklad je tu možnosť, vrátane doplnkových služieb, ako je prevod do postele, garáž, múzeum lístky, kvety privítanie, jedlá, atď ... to s jediným ovládacím panelom vám umožní posielať reklamné oznámenie na všetkých trhoch, ktoré vás zaujímajú v danom časeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-56791219852958806182008-01-05T15:56:00.000-05:002008-01-05T15:56:00.000-05:00Regarding the various recent comments about jargon...Regarding the various recent comments about jargon, hypnotism, genuine (or not-so) snake oil,<BR/>check out this 10 minute video on you tube - sent to me by a friend: Mind Control Made Easy or How to Become a Cult Leader<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6ENancy Leigh-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14150164444271369202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-49480220148130816432008-01-05T15:40:00.000-05:002008-01-05T15:40:00.000-05:00>>"Am I making sense here or am I just foaming at ...>>"Am I making sense here or am I just foaming at the mouth (errr, typing fingers)??? Are these valid points, or am I off my mid-babyboomer rocker?"<<<BR/><BR/><BR/>-- for what it's worth, there is a philosophical reason behind why SY and OTHER Hindu groups say "leave the body" instead of die. It is because there is no English equiv word for samadhi, or for the concept that one's body would "die" but the eternal part would continue to live on. The Buddhists say die like us Western folks. But I guess Hindus are trying to get closer to their language meaning. <BR/>(please don't jump--I'm not defending or attacking, just giving a perspective)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-2216508124484919152008-01-05T14:57:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:57:00.000-05:00"Sita (the Self,the Soul) is a heat-seeking missil..."Sita (the Self,the Soul) is a heat-seeking missile".." <BR/><BR/>Hey Anon who posted the above. Thanks. God is good, God is Love.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-65697668052976550392008-01-05T14:48:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:48:00.000-05:00Interesting commentary (from anonymous on Marta's ...Interesting commentary (from anonymous on Marta's site, Dec 31):<BR/><BR/>"I suggest that a guru of this type shows two sides, one public, one private.<BR/><BR/>The public side of the guru is a false personality that seems super human and carries the projected hopes, energy and idealization of the audience. <BR/><BR/>The private side of the guru is that of a small child, for whom the entourage act as baby sitters, excuse makers and who cover up the childish whims and tantrums the guru inflicts in private.<BR/><BR/>Entourage members are probably selective recruited from the much larger pool of devotees, if they show signs indicating they are capable of absorbing and rationalizing abuse, and willing to parent a child in an adult body, the way children cover up for and parent abusive adults.<BR/><BR/>A guru of this kind enjoys adult autonomy and power yet thanks to the entourage of baby-sitters and parental excuse makers, enjoys the freedom from accountabilty that is appropriate only for youngsters aged 0 to 18 months.<BR/><BR/>A child that young lacks access to adult levels of money, sex, charisma and power and is not yet capable of empathy or future consequences. It is appropriate to protect a child that young and powerless from the consequences of age appropriate naughtiness.<BR/><BR/>But when someone with adult access to money, power, and guru-theatrics is let off the hook and protected from consequences as if he or she is a toddler, by an entourage of parental types--all bets are off."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-10272485375367598722008-01-05T14:43:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:43:00.000-05:00"SY though they talk of honoring the self, has not..."SY though they talk of honoring the self, has nothing to do with learning to love oneself. It is twisted. It tells you first it is about love, and then you learn to hate yourself every single day as you do the practices, because you can never, ever live up to the convoluted trash heap of philosophy and sick behavior that is SY on its bad days. On its good days, you fall in love, are very happy, eat great food, have wonderful conversations, chant incessantly, dress up real fancy and empty your pocketbook into the guru’s coffers."<BR/><BR/>Very astute observation. And to my observation, very true. I left SY nearly 3 years ago. My wife is still in, totally hook, line and sinker.<BR/><BR/>MY state has evened out tremendously in that time. I may have a strong tendency to be a grouch, but I don't have the mood swings leaping from joyful bliss to self-hatred and self-loathing and self-anger I had in SY.<BR/><BR/>And I watch my wife still going through that leaping from joyful devotional swoon to incredible depths of sadness, self-hatred, and darkness because she just "never measures up" to be the perfect devotee, perfect wife, perfect woman, perfect anything. And it just drives her deeper into the depths so she can't and won't DO anything about it.<BR/><BR/>It's painful for me to watch but she thinks I'm deluded and generating bad energy because I've left and don't engage in SY anymore.<BR/><BR/>The stuff you've described about trying to achieve an impossible idea of perfection, it's all totally SPOT ON. BULL'S EYE.<BR/><BR/>Somebody else said: ""Search for the knowledge of the truth and become established in the awareness of the Self"<BR/><BR/>January 5, 2008 12:39 PM<BR/><BR/>Woke last night at 3:00 am, bhramah Muhurtha, with this thought and what came to me was, Gurumayi is passing the baton, torch. Look elsewhere. Conintue your search, because it is not in SY."<BR/><BR/>Y'know...I hadn't thought about it this way before.<BR/><BR/>It actually COULD be interpreted as an indirect way of saying "Time to go elsewhere".<BR/><BR/>Except I don't think the current devotees think that, particularly watching my wife's reaction. For her, GM's BACK. Pre-recorded program or not. I'm sure she's not alone in thinking and feeling this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-89190132414573739782008-01-05T14:32:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:32:00.000-05:00Dear S,You say "Part of becoming "comfortable" in ...Dear S,<BR/><BR/>You say "Part of becoming "comfortable" in a group is learning the jargon of that group. Usually we don't realize that's what we're doing. You can bond with those who are in the "jargon know" for your particular group and feel sorry for those who "don't understand the jargon"."<BR/><BR/>My response: EXACTLY!<BR/><BR/>I was not intending to suggest that SYDA rammed its jargon, its "Siddha-Speak" down our throats. Far from it.<BR/><BR/>The DID use it. And the devotees DID pick up on it to "stay in alignment with GM's shakti" so to speak. And as "great-timers" and newcomers alike wanted to fit into the group, we all simply adopted that jargon, that language, that way of speaking, simply to fit in. Simply to exercise that very natural human desire to belong and not be an outsider, to "fit in", and feel like an accepted, important part of something meaningful.<BR/><BR/>The fact remains: The technique, subtle and indirect as it was, STILL worked BEAUTIFULLY to fit GM's and SYDA's plans. I can only conclude it was a brialliant tactic employed quite deliberately...and quite successfully as well...by those at the top of the organization. Basically, "start talking a certain way, and they'll all just naturally start to follow" in order to feel closer to us.<BR/><BR/>I'm among those who've consciously decided to leave SY forever. And I feel no need to use the siddha-speak jargon anymore.<BR/><BR/>I obviously can't make people stop it, but I'd sure prefer not to have to hear or read it.<BR/><BR/>Which is interesting in itself - - now that I'm clearly "out", instead of "pulling me back in", it repels me, quite intensely, to read or hear it.<BR/><BR/>Somehow its hypno-magnetic polarity got reversed. Or maybe I simply reversed my own polarity!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-85517607163745096092008-01-05T14:17:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:17:00.000-05:00>>"""Search for the knowledge of the truth and bec...>>"""Search for the knowledge of the truth and become established in the awareness of the Self"<BR/><BR/>January 5, 2008 12:39 PM<BR/><BR/>Woke last night at 3:00 am, bhramah Muhurtha, with this thought and what came to me was, Gurumayi is passing the baton, torch. Look elsewhere. Conintue your search, because it is not in SY."<BR/><BR/>Had a dream last night where the Dalai Lama told me, "Sita (the Self,the Soul) is a heat-seeking missile"...Somehow comforting..lol! Don't have to go searching off somewhere else...on the endless New Age pilgrimage from Ammachi to Mother Meera to Tiruvannamali to Omega Institute...just sit down and have a nice HOT cup of tea!<BR/><BR/>s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-32813237202738825292008-01-05T14:14:00.000-05:002008-01-05T14:14:00.000-05:00Typos to correct in deference to K. that should be...Typos to correct in deference to K.<BR/> <BR/>that should be <BR/><BR/>Brahma Muhurta and <BR/>continue <BR/>rather than as posted <BR/><BR/>"bhramah Muhurtha, with this thought and what came to me was, Gurumayi is passing the baton, torch. Look elsewhere. Conintue your search, because it is not in SY." <BR/>January 5, 2008 1:17 PM<BR/><BR/>Will try harder in '08 K. You are correct to urge us to be less casual about such things. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-33595239533816740402008-01-05T13:34:00.000-05:002008-01-05T13:34:00.000-05:00>>>" SY tells you first it is about love, and then...>>>" SY tells you first it is about love, and then you learn to hate yourself every single day as you do the practices,"<<<BR/><BR/>Sigh! This is a very powerful observation! and, in "my experience", very true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-20191379973291209432008-01-05T13:17:00.000-05:002008-01-05T13:17:00.000-05:00""Search for the knowledge of the truth and become...""Search for the knowledge of the truth and become established in the awareness of the Self"<BR/><BR/>January 5, 2008 12:39 PM<BR/><BR/>Woke last night at 3:00 am, bhramah Muhurtha, with this thought and what came to me was, Gurumayi is passing the baton, torch. Look elsewhere. Conintue your search, because it is not in SY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-52416199276505055612008-01-05T12:39:00.000-05:002008-01-05T12:39:00.000-05:00"Search for the knowledge of the truth and become ..."Search for the knowledge of the truth and become established in the awareness of the Self"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-30307472145786747572008-01-05T10:52:00.000-05:002008-01-05T10:52:00.000-05:00Referencing many recent comments.....Elizabeth Gil...Referencing many recent comments.....<BR/><BR/>Elizabeth Gilbert is still with SY because as is obvious from her own undisguised testimony in her autobiography, she is a total slut, ho what have you. Sluts can be very smart and articulate, as are most of us here on these blogs. The arts and charms of a courtesan or geisha are not held by common women. I was a ho for the guru too, so I am completely sympathetic. Gilbert didn’t live through some of the s**t we have experienced. She’s new. The good old ‘not my experience’ excuse. She is still in the love bomb stage and more than likely forking over lots of cash by now in gratitude for the great fortune she is making from her book and reaping the benefits that brings. <BR/><BR/>You can get a lot from a flawed path. Jews, Catholics and Muslims will attest. However, SY is more than flawed. It is bogus and built upon the slender shoulders of someone not equipped to lead a major religion as SY is trying to be by branding itself and copyrighting everything in sight. <BR/><BR/>SY, though I wanted it to be the real deal in the worst way, is simply not the real deal. I had myself believing I was part of a great new spiritual saga. Not so. I am looking back at some of what I missed first go round with my childhood religion, which unfortunately was delivered with fire, brimstone and punishments. That is not all that exists at the core of our major religions, which are still evolving. If you are still a seeker, there are some great thinkers working now in all these paths. Stuart brings us some real food for thought from one path. Epi brings another. I love it that this group is so actively still seeking. Even though I loved the idea that seeking in itself can be dropped and you can just sit and rest from all that once in a while. Thank you Stuart. <BR/><BR/>Back in the spaces of my childhood conceptions around God, I am finding enduring ideals that are missing from SY. Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha carried the responsibility of spiritual leadership in a different way than GM. Can these persons really be compared? A living saint she is? Blarney. <BR/><BR/>SY had me trying to turn myself into something I am not. This butterfly found herself on the doorstep of S. Muktananda and it was love at first sight. Hook line and sinker. I was a goner. This was what I had been searching for. The impact of those early encounters with the philosophy and culture of SY were tremendous on me, still in my early twenties. Drank the Nectar of Chanting until I was drunk and stupid. Love drunk for twenty-five plus years. Sheesh. For what? For who? For whom? However you like it. <BR/><BR/>I feel authentic now. Marta Szabo carried me to this place of courage to be myself, to accept myself. I personally feel I owe Marta a tremendous debt that I can’t pay with money, although I know she could use some. Good people don’t do spiritual things for money anyway. Business people do. And you can be both, but the motivations should not be confused as they are in SY. <BR/><BR/>SY though they talk of honoring the self, has nothing to do with learning to love oneself. It is twisted. It tells you first it is about love, and then you learn to hate yourself every single day as you do the practices, because you can never, ever live up to the convoluted trash heap of philosophy and sick behavior that is SY on its bad days. On its good days, you fall in love, are very happy, eat great food, have wonderful conversations, chant incessantly, dress up real fancy and empty your pocketbook into the guru’s coffers. <BR/><BR/>Well I used to love her but it’s all over now. <BR/><BR/>Watch out here comes another top 40from another major slut. http://tinyurl.com/2bzs26<BR/><BR/>It's All Over Now <BR/><BR/>Well, baby used to stay out all night long<BR/>She made me cry, she done me wrong<BR/>She hurt my eyes open, that’s no lie<BR/>Tables turn and now her turn to cry<BR/><BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/><BR/>Well, she used to run around with every man in town<BR/>She spent all my money, playing her high-class game<BR/>She put me out; it was a pity how I cried<BR/>Tables turn and now her turn to cry<BR/><BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/><BR/>Well, I used to wake in the morning, get my breakfast in bed<BR/>When Id gotten worried she'd ease my aching head<BR/>But now she's here and there, with every man in town<BR/>Still trying to take me for that same old clown<BR/><BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over now<BR/>Because I used to love her, but it’s all over nowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-10759175736439685712008-01-05T10:32:00.000-05:002008-01-05T10:32:00.000-05:00>>"Am I making sense here or am I just foaming at ...>>"Am I making sense here or am I just foaming at the mouth (errr, typing fingers)??? Are these valid points, or am I off my mid-babyboomer rocker?"<<<BR/><BR/>LOL! Well, I for one, sure hope gurumayi is still "in her body", anchored down somewhere and not wafting around in the stratosphere disrupting weather systems all over the planet!<BR/> But, seriously (being a real language stickler myself), using this "jargon" is very common whenever people form groups: political jargon, self-help jargon, spiritual jargon, teen-age jargon. As you point out, it's part of the way exclusivity is maintained and we can feel we "belong".Part of becoming "comfortable" in a group is learning the jargon of that group. Usually we don't realize that's what we're doing. You can bond with those who are in the "jargon know" for your particular group and feel sorry for those who "don't understand the jargon". Remember in the 60s (if you go back that far).."far out!", "it's a rip off!"...soon co-opted by advertising. Siddha yoga, imo, is a really peculiar hotbed of jargon... the jargon of Hinduism and the jargon of self-help and the jargon of the business world...it's a whole new way of speaking.<BR/> When we are babies and begin to speak, we learn how to "tag" things with a label...the whole "naming"/separation/identification thing. There has been alot written about the formation of identity and how it correlates to the "safety" of giving conceptual labels to "things". <BR/> When someone says, "is gurumayi still in her body" (as opposed to is she even alive)...we know that that person has spent some time with Eastern ideas and, in addition, that the question is only asked in this fashion in relation to "saints" or "special folks". You don't ask...."is Uncle Joe still in his body?". Hey, where else would he be?<BR/> Anyway, to the person who asked this question...please don't take this personally..it's just about looking at something peculiar that we human being seem to do.<BR/><BR/>sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-79253784575525307492008-01-05T09:16:00.000-05:002008-01-05T09:16:00.000-05:00the question is:Is Gurumayi dead?Is she still walk...the question is:<BR/>Is Gurumayi dead?<BR/>Is she still walking around?<BR/>What's the real scoop behind Gurumayi not speaking for four years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-42230612599511270952008-01-05T08:57:00.000-05:002008-01-05T08:57:00.000-05:00"It reinforces the subconscious ties to the group,..."It reinforces the subconscious ties to the group, and separates the members of the group from the "unspiritual people out in "the world" ".<BR/><BR/>Meaning "Us" vs. "Them" thinking.<BR/><BR/>I agree also with the Anon above who said the NYM's and other programs use very deliberate HYPNOTISM.<BR/><BR/>And I think the "siddha-speak" examples discussed are simply ways of reinforcing hypnotic ways of thinking, speaking, and acting to further the income-maximizing, psyche-ensnaring ways of the SYDA organization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-38319893373140380922008-01-05T07:16:00.000-05:002008-01-05T07:16:00.000-05:00Somebody said "Is she still alive in the physical ...Somebody said "Is she still alive in the physical form?"<BR/><BR/>Oh, I SOOOO wanna comment on this.<BR/><BR/>Anybody remember that numbered list I started in an earlier thread about all the beliefs and ways of thinking and ways of talking and acting we picked up via "Siddha Yoga Philosophy and Culture" simply by listening to other "Siddhayogis®" over the years, things I noticed that I'd picked up, and others picked up, and it was just, well....WEIRD from the perspective of "the normal world"? Like the example I quoted that time of not blowing out a candle and always snuffing it out with a snuffer or waving it out by fanning it, because it was done in the ashrams?<BR/><BR/>And, just last week, I wrote about my objections to "Siddha-speak" and how it made me cringe or wince or shudder.<BR/><BR/>Well, somebody else just wrote a PRIME example, which kicked off a second example in my head. Here they are:<BR/><BR/>Example #1: "Does anybody know if she's still in "the physical form"? "<BR/><BR/>(An alternate could be "Does anybody know if she's still in the body?" or "her body")<BR/><BR/>Example #2: "Baba left his body in October 1982."<BR/><BR/>Why on EARTH must SY people feel compelled to use weird English???<BR/><BR/>Just why the F**K can't people simply ask, in PLAIN English, "Does anybody know if she's even still alive?"<BR/><BR/>Or say "Baba died in October 1982"<BR/><BR/>WHAT is the COMPULSION here????<BR/><BR/>I don't GET it. I simply DON'T GET IT.<BR/><BR/>I do get why...at least I THINK why...SY (and probably other cults as well) do use such cult-specific ways of saying simple things that could be phrased much more clearly and directly in plain English. Having a unique way to refer to things, I am convinced, totally reinforces an idea of "we're special" or "we're blessed" or "we're so fortunate".<BR/><BR/>By using language differently than average everyday people around the workaday world, in a way that is totally unique to that specific cult group, it makes the members of that group feel different from the rest of society. It reinforces the subconscious ties to the group, and separates the members of the group from the "unspiritual people out in "the world" ".<BR/><BR/>(An odd phenomenon when one considers that one of the goals of yoga is to UNITE individual consciousness with the whole of the universe (including other "unspiritual people") around you and that use of such language tricks is counter-productive to that lofty yogic goal. And just as odd when one considers Baba's advice to "make the mundane spiritual" by seeing one's work, one's family, everyday people and mundane things as just as equally divine consciousness as one's own self." I'm sure I described that incorrectly somewhere, but that was the gist of things in Baba's time on the chair.)<BR/><BR/>To me, these "language tricks" are very important. Indeed, it is intentional, DELIBERATE use of the matrika shakti and the meanings it conveys both consciously and sub-consciously, overtly and subtly, to the human psyche. Think about it. I'd wager that advertisers, politicians, entertainers, heck, even the script writers for those entertainers (Sorry, Seekher, sure hope this doesn't apply to you!) use this just as deliberately to mold the behaviors of their audiences and their prospective supporters in an election.<BR/><BR/>Am I making sense here or am I just foaming at the mouth (errr, typing fingers)??? Are these valid points, or am I off my mid-babyboomer rocker?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-83101923555018160212008-01-05T04:23:00.000-05:002008-01-05T04:23:00.000-05:00"I, too, was struck by the inanity of this opening..."I, too, was struck by the inanity of this opening story, more so because its all-too-obvious point was drawn out and out and histrionically belabored on and on until even the slowest child would have become impatient with the telling".<BR/><BR/>January 4, 2008 9:13 AM<BR/><BR/>All the web casts have been this way. I am convinced it is hypnotism and very deliberate. Now the sneering tone, that I would have liked to hear for myself. Sounds like the typical formula that controlled me once. <BR/><BR/>Urie Bronfenbrenner, psychologist said children need an "irrational relationship" with parents. That parents need to be strong advocates for your child, no matter what. He also described parenting of a negaitve type where parents withhold their love as a way of controlling children. To children this is equivalent of depriving them of oxygen, and they will do anything to get it back. Distort themselves if need be. I see now that I had this relationship with Gurumayi.<BR/> <BR/>Dan Shaw has been sharing these ideas that I am waking up to for a long time. So strange I studied Bronfenbrenner over 30 years ago, but while in SY I was not operating on all cylinders. Just the one's my gurumother condoned. Babyfication. <BR/><BR/>Instead of the focus being on the student's needs for development and encouragement, we focused on the Guru's pleasure, as chanted everyday and instructed in the morning chant. Bronfenbrenner would say this was backasswards. The child is the target, not the parent/guru. Had the wrong person as the center of my life for waaaay too many years. Over now. <BR/><BR/>Thank you Seekher for this clean well lighted place, for taking the time. It's a tremendous service. Thanks to Marta, C, Dan and RJ too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-49922471182979689362008-01-05T00:03:00.000-05:002008-01-05T00:03:00.000-05:00Has anyone seen Gurumayi in these last four years?...Has anyone seen Gurumayi in these last four years? Is she still alive in the physical form?<BR/><BR/>Plenty of people see her where she lives (at least most of the time) in S Fallsburg ashram.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-39743641662488120232008-01-04T22:06:00.000-05:002008-01-04T22:06:00.000-05:00Hi All~Thank you for all your heart-felt comments....Hi All~<BR/>Thank you for all your heart-felt comments. I have been connecting with each one of you as I continue to go within, touch the Self and attempt to find the truth. I have one huge question: Has anyone seen Gurumayi in these last four years? Is she still alive in the physical form? Is she in seclusion? Something is just not adding up. Anyone out there have any scoop? Thanks in advance for sharing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-25822702673760051722008-01-04T21:10:00.000-05:002008-01-04T21:10:00.000-05:00When life offers us little or nothing in the way o...When life offers us little or nothing in the way of answers, we do get to choose our motivation. Trying to help... that may be the medicine for suffering caused by "I want to get something."<BR/><BR/>So said Stuart.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for that Stuart, so apt. Good stuff you are giving us today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-51842471974600900652008-01-04T20:44:00.000-05:002008-01-04T20:44:00.000-05:00Anony wrote...Will skip the 'what am I' question, ...Anony wrote...<BR/><I>Will skip the 'what am I' question, too difficult and I may not like the answer</I><BR/><BR/>If the answer that comes up is "don't know," that's worth looking at too. Sometimes people seem to avoid or deny that particular "answer," since it's not necessarily what we want or expect. It may be a little scary, if we're hoping for an "answer" we can hold with our thinking.<BR/><BR/>There's something to be said for honestly and fearlessly facing the big mystery. Hell, maybe it's not for everyone. All of us may sometimes prefer a comforting belief-system over profound mysteries. But I've found that it's the "don't knows" that keep life interesting.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it's cool that anony finds an anchor in "what can I do to help?" When life offers us little or nothing in the way of answers, we do get to choose our motivation. Trying to help... that may be the medicine for suffering caused by "I want to get something."<BR/><BR/>Stuart<BR/>http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/stuartresnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879896068458013439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-79063941655601830492008-01-04T19:24:00.000-05:002008-01-04T19:24:00.000-05:00"What am I? What am I doing right now? What can I ..."What am I? What am I doing right now? What can I do to help the situation I find myself in?"<BR/><BR/>Stuart<BR/>January 4, 2008 4:17 PM<BR/><BR/><BR/>Will skip the 'what am I' question, too difficult and I may not like the answer, but to keep asking myself 'what am I doing right now? should help raise self awareness in a simple straightforward way. No "I am Shiva! nonsense. Have felt blasted by this leaving SY. Your comments help me be less emotional. <BR/><BR/>Your last question is the one that has anchored me for awhile. <BR/><BR/>What can I do to help the situation I find myself in? <BR/><BR/>I think we called that selfless service at one time....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794942461067348825.post-15510900543822260912008-01-04T16:17:00.000-05:002008-01-04T16:17:00.000-05:00J said... SY (or any other similar path) is not no...J said... <BR/><I>SY (or any other similar path) is not nondual advaita. For better or worse "seeking" is a cornerstone of the SY approach, independent of any organizational abuses, and likely to stay as such.</I><BR/><BR/>What exactly does it mean to have "seeking" as a cornerstone? How about... this moment isn't enough. I need to seek something more, something I can get, and this something will finally make it all complete and "OK."<BR/><BR/>The SYDA organization appeals to this type of "seeker," this type of thinking. It posits that there's a thing you can get from the guru (some particular understanding, idea, experience, or magical invisible energy called "shakti"); that's the thing you need to seek after in order to be a correct, complete person.<BR/><BR/>J says that this SYDA "seeking" approach is likely to stay that way. This may very well be true. If so, I've got no problem with it. That is: the world is filled with people who want to get something, whose wanting is so strong that it needs to be filled with some type of "seeking." If not seeking money, or power, or sex, then seeking special experiences or good feelings or spiritual ideas.<BR/><BR/>The nature of the marketplace is that as long as there are lots of people who want to seek something, organizations like SYDA can and should exist to feed that desire.<BR/><BR/>But that of course doesn't mean that any of us need to buy into it! SYDA can continue to sell "seeking" for decades. Whoever likes being a "seeker" can pay their money and get some ideal to seek. And whoever gets tired of seeking is always free to stop for a moment and take a look at the big questions for themselves. What am I? What am I doing right now? What can I do to help the situation I find myself in?<BR/><BR/>Stuart<BR/>http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/stuartresnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879896068458013439noreply@blogger.com