It's an open question. As in now open for discussion.
Gurumayi hasn't been seen in public for—how long has it been? Three years, almost four? It's hard to know precisely because news of her appearances has long been carefully controlled and sometimes concealed by those closest to her. I do know the last time I saw her; it was January 1, 2004 when I did seva helping to broadcast the last New Year's message that she gave in person: "Experience the Power Within. Kundalini Shakti." Soon afterwards she began to slowly fade away; first closing her ashram in upstate New York to outside visitors, then abruptly stopping public initiations. The following year she failed to appear to give the New Year's address, and instead issued a cryptic command that Siddha yogis should repeat the study of the previous year's message.
Or did she?
Communications from South Fallsburg (the international headquarters of Siddha Yoga) have been exquisitely calibrated to neither disclose her whereabouts nor quote her directly. Gurumayi's followers have been left to trust what they're (not) being told and invited not to ask questions.
Well, I can no longer trust without questioning. So, let's began with this: Why should anyone care about Gurumayi's disappearance? True believers are taught not to associate the eternal Guru Principle too closely with any transient human form, however beloved, while skeptics (of whom Siddha Yoga has many) doubtless cheer the seeming abdication of a teacher who has been implicated in numerous scandals in recent years, and who some now believe to be a false guru.
My answer is that it matters to me. This blog is an ongoing search not merely for information on Gurumayi's whereabouts, but for signs that the yoga I've practiced under her guidance for the past twenty years is a true path. In this quest I won't so much be looking for outside evidence as I will be trying—at last—to examine my own experiences of Siddha Yoga, their value and merit, without the constriction of a devotional narrative framework. Readers who are familiar with the Siddha Yoga "experience talk" straight-jacket will understand what I'm talking about here. Make no mistake. I treasure many of the spiritual experiences I've had while practicing Siddha Yoga; the intimately fulfilling states of self-awareness in meditation, the ecstatic, transcendental highs of group chanting, the silent swing of my inner compass pointing true north during profound self-inquiry. What I no longer value is the stultifying Siddha Yoga culture that replaces true self-inquiry (which must remain open to the divine contradictions and bittersweet ambiguities of real life) with foregone-conclusion contemplation that ties everything up in a neat package and wraps it in a brightly-colored Lesson Learned Due To The Guru's Grace.
I believe it is the responsibility of all of us who have practiced Siddha Yoga to break the seal that a false devotion once clamped over the doors of our free expression. It's the only way forward. I'll be the first to say that it's scary. Very scary. Because we don't know what we'll find. People I know and trust have taken this way and come to unbelief. Just deciding to start down this path feels like a departure from the path of Siddha Yoga to me. But I can't go back.
I've named this blog Rituals of Disenchantment because we all have to break the spell of silence that has been cast over the Siddha Yoga sangham if we are ever to become re-enchanted with this yoga again. In this, everyone is welcome to participate in their own way. I'm keeping this blog open to anyone who wants to read it, and to post to it. I want this to be a place where you can speak your own truth, whether you have left the path, are still on squarely on it, or don't know where you stand. Just be honest and kind. If we can't be kind with one another, what really have we attained after all this time?
Sunday, October 14, 2007
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Makes me remember when I was in Ganeshpuri, around 1983. There was an intensive scheduled, and the Gurus were traveling, but Gurumayi was due back in time for the Intensive. Some delay happened, and it became clear that Gurumayi wasn't going to show. In those pre-cell phone days, no one knew where she was or when she'd return.
So some swami or trustee made this big announcement that Gurumayi had sent a fax saying that everyone should still go to the Intensive and focus on the inner guru yada yada. Later I asked a swami, and he admitted there was no fax, they'd just made it up. It'd be bad for business if people didn't think Gurumayi had personally instructed them to attend the intensive.
I also remember during the Nit/Chid blow-up, they sent out a letter signed "the swamis of siddha yoga." The swamis spoke with one voice supporting Gurumayi over her brother. I asked a swami if they had anything to do with that letter, and he said no, it'd just been drafted by someone and they pretended it was from all the swami.
Which is to say: there was a culture in SYDA in which truth didn't count for much. A perfectly reasonable scenario is that Gurumayi just disappeared, and then the higher-ups in management just pretend she's still somehow connected. Maybe they act out of mistaken loyalty to some idea about spirituality. Maybe they're just afraid that if people knew that GM just got sick of it and wandered off with her money, the whole thing'd fall apart and these higher-ups would have to get real jobs.
Just speculating.
Anyway, a much more important point. The blogger says something about being re-inchanted with this yoga. Kindly contemplate what "this yoga" is and why you want to be inchanted with it.
Truth is always right in front of us. Yeah, SYDA and the gurus gave us ideas and suggested practices that helped provide some people with very nice feelings. Nice feelings come and go. Clinging to or chasing after nice feelings is no good. Better to question and examine deeply the truth of this moment.
Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/socalled.htm
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
"Nice feelings come and go. Clinging to or chasing after nice feelings is no good. Better to question and examine deeply the truth of this moment."
Thank you, Stuart, I couldn't have put it any more concisely or powerfully than that. I’ve created this blog explicitly as a vehicle to deeply examine my present truth. Thanks, too, for giving me an excellent question to start the process rolling: "What is this yoga and why do you want to be re-enchanted with it?" I don’t have an answer for you (or for myself for that matter.) Finding an answer to that question will be a necessary part of the journey. I only know that I feel I have lost something of tremendous, vital importance, and I want to know what it is, and whether or not I can ever reclaim it. Lets label it “Belief” for now.
SeekHer said...
I only know that I feel I have lost something of tremendous, vital importance, and I want to know what it is, and whether or not I can ever reclaim it. Lets label it 'Belief' for now.
Many thanks for your kind response to my earlier comment, SeekHer. I like your sincere questioning. Actually, I think the questions themselves are wonderful and important, mabye moreso than any answer.
Here's where I am now when it comes to "belief." As much as I can, I'd rather just respond to whatever the situation is right in front of me, in every moment, in this moment... rather than carrying any belief in my head.
I guess you could say I believe that trying to help whomever you meet is how to live. But it's not a blind belief, it's more like I sometimes can see how the way I treat others will ultimately, in a big-picture way, return to me. Or maybe it's just that I don't know what to believe, and believing in compassion seems better than all the alternatives.
In the tradition I now practice with, we sometimes talk about "Great Faith" or "Believing in your True Self." But again, I think that's different from believing in a book or a person or an idea. It's more like being 100% open to this moment, throwing away whatever thinking or opinions etc that create separation.
Thanks for blogging about your own inquiry process. I think it's very possible that other people will be helped by your sincerity.
Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/socalled.htm
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
Stuart, I'd like to clarify something you said, which was "Maybe they're just afraid that if people knew that GM just got sick of it and wandered off with her money, the whole thing'd fall apart and these higher-ups would have to get real jobs."
Would it not be more accurate to say that "GM just got sick of it and wandered off with all THEIR money" or "GM just got sick of it and walked off with the funds she'd accumulated from the inheritance Muk left her and her brother, along with whatever she pocketed over her years as SY guru?"
All I'm asking for is clarity on the source of the money GM wandered off with - - loving donations by loving devotees. And monies paid by the devotees for intensives, courses, bookstore items, etc., etc., that result from profit earned on business transactions as opposed to freely given donations and gifts.
I thought that was an important distinction to draw.
Gurumayi's disappearance??
What disappearance do you mean?
You and I might not have been invited... but she's been hanging out all this time with hundreds (if not thousands on some occasions) in SMA. If you give your $$ or if you offer your service and if you agree to drink the kool-aid again, you could probably be invited too...
A couple hundred maybe, not thousands anymore. Last seen, recently, in the SF ashram attending a chant.
I believe if you are willing to spend six months, you apply and are accepted, then you can join the group. Have you made inquiries?
Former SYer, now Episcopalian
I'll be honest with you. I spent 15 years of my life as a devoted bhakti,deeply concerned at any given juncture as to the "whereabouts" of my so-called guru. She has eaten up enough of my time, attention, bank funds, and shakti.
The simple answer to your query then would be:
'I could give a shit." What a joy to see through the illusion and move forward with a life that needs no intermediary between the shakti and oneself. She padded her off-shore accounts and got what she needed. Why give it any more focus?
Of course you could ask, then why am i am on this site? It's VERY interesting to me not to speculate where this energy-manipulating black magician may be but to hear the truthful and poignant stories of the many people I came to love while on the path. Much healing comes in that form.
The voices that were never allowed to fully speak, now speak.
It seems we find ourselves in a similar spot to those who ask where is God? A God who is gone 'away on business' as Charles Simic said in his poem, The Absentee Landlord.
This theme of experiencing God in his absence is one that is very present for me now that Christopher has framed the labryinth as a metaphor. Just have Picasso's etchings in my mind for reference. It's rich and I look forward to lots of companionship there.
Pan's Labyrinth I watched on the edge of my seat, not understanding a tenth of what was going on. Just like a when I was kid, watching films I couldn't fathom, but fascinated. Thank you for alerting me to writers I have not yet explored who might light my way.
We were drawn by the novel, the primal, the theoretical, the aesthetics, the warmth, the laughter, the food!. SY pulled out all the stops on the organ to deliver a whopping experience.
So is it only highs we miss?
For me I am looking for no thrills. Just a willingness to be present with us in the errors that were committed on all sides. In whatever capacity is possible. I just cannot believe I miscalculated by investment by that much. But I could be wrong.
My preferred way of viewing things is to believe there is still a beautiful person there. That would be nice. Not a requirement for healing however. Thank the Lord.
MC
"A couple hundred maybe, not thousands anymore...."
This is what they want you to believe. It is the current "official story." As usual, it's a lie. In fact, over 300 live there now. And on holidays the numbers go up to 1000. Just giving the facts from a reliable source...
Tom
Hi Tom
I stand corrected then! That would require the complicity of friends that I would expect to be in that group of 1000 on holidays in keeping silence on that. To what end I am not sure...
As for me I agree completely that it is great not to be concerned about the whereabouts of GM anymore, or be yearning to be in her presence.
I feel I am in the Presence as much now as I was with any darshan.
Peace and Love to all
Former SYer, now Episcopalian
I suffer from a sense that absolutely no one, none, not a single solitary individual can or every should be abandoned by our hearts. This has made me a victim omany times of my own sentimentality.
I think HH Dalai Lama talks about how to keep heart open and protect at the same time. I'll have to find the quote. I only thought about it in the sense of soldiers in Tibet. Maybe I can think about it closer than that.
Still processing, last grrrruuurrrruuugita chanted was 03/07. When I hear that some are still practicing and some have been out 2 years, that's a big span of time. I am at the 6 month point. My brain cells are still repeating ONS non stop. I just ignore it like any good schizophrenic should do.;-)
Won't do all that processing on these blogs, could get ugly. I want to apologize for the bite in my words when I post anywhere, but I know no other way. It really helps me to read softer writers here. Thanks to you.
I absolutely believed everything SY unquestioned, just to see where belief would take me. ON FAITH. I decided to play the faith game with Swami Chidvilasananda, her current legal moniker I believe.
Does anyone know the story of the Centurion and Jesus? That's the game I played. I think it impressed her, that I could be so gullible. I thought my Faith might make her so. She had some good people around her that's for sure. making the guru look good. Ah, me.
Faith is over. Science rules my heart now. Feels safe there. Divine Algorithims. They are out there. Peace.
MC
MC, your brains cells impress me quite a bit; when I think of all the effort I put into japa and I really sucked at it! LOL! But anyway, it is good that ONS is public domain. There is NO trademark attached to it, so why not let your brain cells do their thing if it makes them happy, while you go about your daily life?
Familiar with the story of Jesus and the Centurion and one of the big points in the story is that that Jesus made no distinction of who is eligible for grace and healing and who is not. As you can imagine, Jews were not overly fond of the Romans for they were the oppressors and a Centurion truly represented Roman authority.
Wishing you all the best
Episcopalian
Re: “Gurumayi's disappearance?? What disappearance do you mean?”
She is not really “hanging out” with 100s or 1000s of people. She is officially in SMA but out of sight for months at a time. Then she reappears in public for a few days or a couple of weeks, makes some random comments (teachings?) and disappears again for months. She does that to keep the morale of the staff up so they keep running the foundation. Some loyal donors and home sevites are invited to SMA sometimes to give them the false impression that nothing has changed in the South Fallsburg front.
To the reliable source of Tom: the staff is under 200 now, and I doubt 1000 fit there for a holiday. With SK sold, AG shut down, half of AN closed due to mold problems and most of the staff in single rooms, I doubt there is space for 800 guests.
Re: "the staff is under 200 now, and I doubt 1000 fit there for a holiday. With SK sold, AG shut down, half of AN closed due to mold problems and most of the staff in single rooms, I doubt there is space for 800 guests.
October 22, 2007 7:04 AM"
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With memories of SY all in a jumble my mind could only conjure the Accomodations of days past when it was 10 to room and lucky if you got the privacy of placing your foam mattress in the bath tub, until early risers, (that's 2:30) got up for some temple duty.
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Why?
Why then?
Why now?
Thanks for all the writers wrestling with these questions.
P E A C E MC
To MC--
I'm also impressed with your brain cells!
I'm sure it is natural to associate the mantra with SY, but why make that mistake? Why give Gurumayi that much credit? ONS has been around for centuries. Maybe you would be a happier camper if you stopped resisting it. Kind of like the old baby with the bathwater metaphor.
J
J said:
I'm sure it is natural to associate the mantra with SY, but why make that mistake?
FWIW, I consider mantra a really great technique, an effective medicine for those times when thinking is creating problems.
I've thrown away the idea that one mantra is better than another. Whichever one you like will work fine. I've thrown away all those beautiful, sancimonious ideas about this or that mantra being "the name of God" yada yada. A mantra is a tool, a medicine, no need to drown it in religious nonsense.
And as far as making any connection between a mantra and a guru, why do that? Say a doctor tells you to try some medicinal herbs. All that matters is if the herbs work for you. Who cares about the doctor beyond that?
Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
To commentors to MC 'to mantra or not to mantra'. Om Thank You Om
Dear Seekers of the Truth,
I have practised SY for 11 years, and met Gurumayi.
The experiences I've had are extraordinary and have completely improved my life, however.....
what the fuck is going on?
Not a word from GM?
To me, something is not right...
Take care all.
Stuart said:
"Or maybe it's just that I don't know what to believe, and believing in compassion seems better than all the alternatives."
I'm down with that, Stuart my man. Compassion. Which is latin for "suffering with" or, "undergoing with"
We are all undergoing this together; and in this I don't mean to limit "us" to Siddha Yogis. "We" is everyone who is incarnate.
Why to worry about gurumayi she is doing her seva.Let her do whatever she want's to do.
I think we should contemplet on her teachings and continue paracticing siddha yoga abhayasa.
I never feelet that gurumayiji is away from me,she is allways with me
through her teachings and her love.
gurumayi gave a 3 talks in november 2007 .
on the first day of navarti each goddess..kali , durga , laxshmi
i feel closer now to her then ever and my meditations are yummy .i am in my 25th yr with gurumayi ...
sgmkj
why care, as bade baba would say, what that "pot of shit" is doing? what elevate her when she's only been a false projection of yr own shakti? yummy meditations? puuurrrfect siddha-baby-speak.
What strikes me is the emphasis on being close to a guru, for that is what she did, or to just see one now and then.
Now this isn't possible, and up until her and Babas enlightenments, they certainly were nearby their gurus.
I can't believe you people!!!!!! How dare you say things like Gurumayi is a fake? It is because of ingrates like you that Gurumayi does not have things like Darshan and appearances in public like she used to!!!!! I wish all of you luck in your lives!!!!
anonymous said...
why care, as bade baba would say, what that "pot of shit" is doing? what elevate her when she's only been a false projection of yr own shakti? yummy meditations? puuurrrfect siddha-baby-speak.
I believe you mean to say that Bade Baba referred to the physical body, anyone's body, as a "pot of shit", not Gurumayi.
loveformyguru said...
I can't believe you people!!!!!! How dare you say things like Gurumayi is a fake? It is because of ingrates like you that Gurumayi does not have things like Darshan and appearances in public like she used to!!!!! I wish all of you luck in your lives!!!!
A belated welcome here, friend. I think you'll find if you read further here that many contributors don't believe that Gurumayi is a fake. We don't know what to believe. If you can tolerate some ambiguity in discourse about SY, and ignore asinine comments like the one above, I'd love to have you as a reader, and a commenter.
gurumayi is back .she rocked the 2008 talk ..
25 years of gurumayi
100 years of baba
If GM is back, I would like to come for Darshan. Is that possible.
Anonymous said...
"If GM is back, I would like to come for Darshan. Is that possible."
Dear friend, welcome to this ongoing discussion. If you've found your way here, perhaps you're ready to hear that Gurumayi is not coming back, not in the way you remember or want. There has not been darshan for many years, and the practice has not been revived. The New Year's Message for 2008 is a pre-recorded talk. It might have been made month ago and Gurumayi has likely long retreated back into obscurity. Some believe she has left the public stage of SY in order to teach us all a valuable lesson about finding the Guru within. Others believe she has stepped down, and is only involved when there is a need to maintain the fiction that the path is still true, for tax and fundraising and other, quite mundane, purposes.
I, too, missed darshan for a long time. It helped me to remember those I had, with love.
i feel closer now to her then ever and my meditations are yummy .i am in my 25th yr with gurumayi
Please enlighten me...what is a yummy meditation?
I'm just going through what it rhymes with... um bummy, dummy, numby, mummy, tummy.....
Hi,
Just thought I'd let you know there's a question on guruphiliac regarding George Afif from someone in Melbourne. I heard that he is there.
I don't have an answer to it so I will post the url so maybe someone can answer it.
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2006/07/mystery-of-missing-devi.html
Cheers
A concerned citizen
AsForMe...
I miss Gurumayi and Baba. They were for me, gifts from the Holy Spirit for which I am endlessly grateful.
I miss getting Shaktipat & having darshan. I miss the bliss of chanting with the Guru.
I miss the high spiritual teachings that were so available in SY.
I miss the rapid pace of my spiritual growth, and of those around me. I miss "In Search of the Self" and the tremendous influence it had on my sadhana during the many years I took the course. I miss the Siddha Yoga community and the beautiful uplifting surroundings of the ashram. I even miss seva. I miss all of this and so much more. For a long time, I felt abandoned by the Guru. But as of now, I simply feel so grateful for all that I have been given. I wish Gurumayi well, wherever she is and pray that she be blessed.
As a person who lives near SF and had the opportunity to do seva in recent times I can tell you that people still see Gurumayi, and she is fine. It is more like the old days up there, with people really doing the practices rather than chasing her around like a rock star...Did she back away on purpose to allow those of us swept up in that to turn within...perhaps. I can only guess at her intention, and while I miss summers at the ashram, I know my practices have deepened. Oh, the gossip here about swami's saying this or that...well, perhaps it is so, but who truly knows! And who cares.
Baba liked to tell a story about a woman. A woman was cooking one day when a wedding procession went by. There was a big band and a lot of singing and dancing. Very excited, she went outside to see what was happening. She watched the whole thing, and then she went back indoors. Suddenly she realized she had lost her necklace. She looked for it everywhere. She went from one room to another, but she could not find it.
She began to scream and shout," Ï've lost my necklace! I've lost my necklace!
Her friends and neighbour hurried into her house and asked."Whats happening?
She said,Ï've lost my necklace! I've lost my necklace!
In the meantime one friend saw something shiney around her neck and asked, "What's this?
She said, Öh! It's my necklace!
Baba concludes Necklace never been lost there was only a big commotion. In the same way we have never lost the grace or love of our GURU. We just like to make big fuss.
"She said, Öh! It's my necklace!
Baba concludes Necklace never been lost there was only a big commotion. In the same way we have never lost the grace or love of our GURU. We just like to make big fuss"
Those parables were always used in Siddha Yoga to stop an inquiring mind and make you feel as if there was something wrong with you if you thought about things in any way other than prescribed (within the culture of the yoga)... questions mean doubts and doubts mean you are not pure enough. This is classic cult social control tactics by charismatic leaders.
And I'm speaking from deep and long experience. I met Muktananda in 1978 and sat through many talks with many such parables, all designed to make us feel down on ourselves if we had any doubts.
Thank goodness I've grown up and now use my God-given power of intellect.
Hello
Not everything has to make sence to us. Personaly, this understanding incorperates what i have learned. And truly truly truly the guru is not the physical form. How could it be. if i really think about it, in 70 years ill be dead or in less time My Guru will be dead in 170 years time we will all be realy dead, everyone on the entire planet. so if the Guru is only in the phisical form ( which it is not ) then like everything else it has an expiration date. So the teachings would have to be "become enlightend for a limited time only". The whatever you want to call it , shakti, god, alla, buda krishna, ganesh, nityananda, muktananda, gurumayi, you, me everything and nothing and our thoughts, Move indepentantly of our judjement, opinion, control and expectation. we canot control or understand it. We are all enlightend anyway its not on or off it just is our expirience of "IT" is it.
I thanks you for your opinion against the story.
Because whatever you say whatever you feel is god's thinking. And that is what Baba wants to tell us "God is within you as you" So I honour the God that is within you. Thank you once again.
For me the poor outward behavior that I felt characterized some, but not all SY centers forced me to make a choice between my integrity and the shakti. I opted for the former after 25 years of involvement. I stopped going to the local SY center and took all the pictures of Baba and Gurumayi down and continued to do practices---and the shakti just got more powerful. I have pictures of Kali Bade Baba and other Hindu gods on my alter. Gurus, no matter how energetically powerful, are never more than channels for energy. They can't be seen as being gods in themselves.
I have been away from gurumayi since 1993 and unfortunatly the practices as well.The reasons are unimportant and are my own folly.What is important is that Gurumayi saved my life.Not just my spiritual life, but my life itself.I was in Fallsburg the winter Gurumayi separated from her brother.I was new.There was a lot of chatter.Chatter that meant nothing to me.Not because I was spiritually evolved, but because I really did not care.I actually lacked the ability at that time which served me well and kept me out of the drama.We were getting the ashram ready for her arrival.Little did I know what I really was getting ready for.
Gurumayi suddenly arrived.I was standing by the front door.My mind said "looks like she is carrying a burden".Gurumayi flicked her hand and that thought disappeared along with the chatter.A white light took me over,joy and love entered my for the first time and I have loved her ever since
A white light took me over,joy and love entered my for the first time and I have loved her ever since...........
Fantastic Experience, Yes she is a true Guru....
HI All,
Sadgurunath Maharaj Kee Jay,
I want to draw your attention to something that I find many in Siddha Yoga don't actually realise. Mahamandaleshwar Swami Nityananda (Gurumayi's brother and Co successor) is still teaching and practicing, with heavy shakti around him, initiating with Shaktipat and all that which goes with a Satguru. SYDA forced him to leave and disrobe under threat of his life (a long and unhealthy story which isn't worth going into) and some years later he reemerged and has created Shanti Mandir to successfully continue Baba's teachings. As a loving devottee who was raised in Siddha yoga, I can tell you he is the real deal and unlike the dramas that cloud SYDA and Gurumayi, he is completely accessible and open, his oganisation healthy and vibrant with many Indian and western devottees. I have personlly heard him address the SYDA issuses when people ask him. Maybe you should visit his ashram and ask him personally and see what he says? He is particularily concerned about Baba's Mahasamadhi shrine in Ganeshpuri being closed to visitors and under guard at present and hopes to see this rectified as he says it should be accessable and free for all to attend and worship. He wonders around his ashrams and is free to approach, meet and chat with anytime and is humble and loving. Accessible in the way that allows the Guru/deciple relationship to deepen and fluish.
Please don't get me wrong I love and respect Gurumayi and have recieved wonderful insights from her teachings and have lived in her ashram for some time, and my dream is to see them (brother and sister) once again reinstated as Baba intended in the first place. A Gurugita lead by both would be a wonderful start. Fancy that!
Jai Gurudev,
Dhanesh.
When i went to SMA i walked into the temple for the first time and saw bede baba's murthi. he smiled at me. i was overcome with a sense of wonder and awe. When i read that SMA was closed and people could no longer go to the temple and see him i cried for days.
"the staff is under 200 now, and I doubt 1000 fit there for a holiday. With SK sold, AG shut down, half of AN closed due to mold problems and most of the staff in single rooms, I doubt there is space for 800 guests."
this makes me very upset. i was surfing the syda site for info and of course there was none. the seva jobs list available has gotten very long and the bookstore has next to nothing available for sale. both things lead me to believe SMA and SY is sadly falling into disrepair.
I became a devotee in 1999 on new years day, it's a day i will never forget. i used to visit the Oakland ashram allot. I had to move in 2003 to spokane and i'm all alone here :( Last time i say gurumayi was in 2001. I too have been wondering "what the fuck is going on?" All i know is how i feel and i feel abandoned. But I am very devoted to bede baba and loving him helps me. I still love GM and wish her well. Peace to all of you and i hope maybe someday she will be there for us again.
I also thank you for posting this. It's nice to know i wasn't the only person out there wondering what is going on
dear cobralilly;
you are certainly not alone! read more here and you'll find stories from many, many in the community who share your confusion and grief. This blog hasn't really been active for a month or more, but I hope it can help you heal as it has helped me.
all my best
SeekHer
Poor Stuart ... still dragging around those three years he spent in Siddha Yoga 20 years ago as his main form of internet communication. In a way I think Gurumayi must have touched him very deeply because he cannot stop talking about her -- even though he long gave up Siddha Yoga for the Buddhists.
In any event, my family and friends have been residents at SMA in recent years and they reported she was there and mixing with devotees. There was writing on the while for a long time that Gurumayi would be handing much of her role to the centers and teachers. I've been in Siddha Yoga since 1988. Gurumayi is not a false guru. Your experiences can probably verify that. It was a gift to have all those years with the sangham and the Guru. Jaya Gurumayi.
Peace Within You:
I have been working to stop the idolatry "outside" myself, therefore outside our self - “we” are One. Then, without idolatry (darkness) we will see the Light where it is.
Following my intuition; several years ago I met Gurumayi in Oakland at the "Festín de Cantos". I expressed* that while somebody is searching for a Guru "outside", then s/he will never is going to find the Guru within himself / herself.
In other words, if you are following a Guru this is beCause you can´t believe yet that YOU ARE THE GURU. It is obvious. You can not see God outside and everywhere, unless you see it (belief, FAITH) in-side you.
*Before I met Gurumayi, I have been in communication (mentally) with her, and by consequence, in communication with every being in the Cosmos (there´s no difference – we are One).. She is my greatest friend ever; we all are friends but, do everyBody feels it?
Is easy to follow somebody, it is hard to be The Guru, The Master. However, it is a Game. Accordingly and as a gratitude to Swami Chidvilasananda, I offered one of my little writings to her: "The Play of the Consciousness" (I haven´t read Baba´s book), you can read it here, thank you very much: http://theplayoftheconsciousness.blogspot.com/
Where in Hell is Your Inner Self?
Francisco
Hi
Something else. Definitely, as the God we are, we do not need to follow a Guru nor to visit a group, but as a Game it is we can visit one or all of them.
Indeed we are following OurSelf in his / her diverse Forms / Places.
By the way, as a player on the Game, I participated last night in the 100´s Anniversary of Baba´s birthday in one of the Siddha Yoga Centers in Mexico (Guadalajara). Furthermore, in my website I have a link where I recommend Gurumayi´s path.
Gurumayi is a true Guru and the path of the Siddhas is my personal one.
Thanks, Francisco
I have read many of these "leaving Siddha Yoga" comments and stories. I find several things in common, Money and the whining of people asking why isn't Gurumayi taking care of me?
I think beginig with Watergate. Peple relish the idea of taking down heros, icons, do-gooders and those that wanto uplft humanity. Instead the watch fish eyed the going ons of Britney, Gibbs, Trump also pointing fingers says and pretending to be so much more evolved.
Why can people, all of you complainers focus on the purpose of spirital work instead of who is leading it. What makes anyone more worthy or exceptional. I ahve never heard Baba or gurumayi say they are better, more evolved. What I have heard is that they have chosen to devote their lives to the betterment of others.
I hav yet to read how any of the "leaving Siddha Yoga" are doing even that? What are you doing? Have you reinvested in the Consumer, tv, ifI can't do what I want and get a quick high I'm out of here world.
Seriously, I would like to know how you have moved on, what is your path and would you be on that path if it weren't for Siddha Yoga?
Are you happier today? I hope so.
Dear wonderfull people, i am from europe and in SY since '87.Last ten years on a distance of the communitie but before that very involved. I always wonderd what gurumayi thought of the american way of being, she is not really like that evendo she is everything and a treu guru.
I think she left the SY for financiell reasons.
I am pretty sure .I have faith in her and the guru lineauge but i think the organisation has been corrupt.And the CIA is trying to find more evidence.
This is what can happen in the real world and happens in SY.
So do not pay the SY anymore but do the practices and be in the love for all.
I feel so much pitty fot the real swamies.
I send them and you so much love,and greetings to ram.
If your practices can not hold you without needing to see the form of the Guru then you are lost. She is testing your metal. I am glad she is separating the Bhaktis from the boys. It makes for a more powerful and exciting Sangham.
Wow, you are a bunch of hard nuts! If you haven't let the shakti take you by now then your ego must be MASSIVE. You should keep fighting! The bigger your ego the sweeter the ride when you let go. Look at Baba! It took kneeling before many saints before his nut finally cracked! Be a hard nut like Baba it means you must have extra sweetness on the inside. Here’s hoping you get to taste it!
Wow, you are a bunch of hard nuts! If you haven't let the shakti take you by now then your ego must be MASSIVE. You should keep fighting! The bigger your ego the sweeter the ride when you let go. Look at Baba, It took kneeling before many saints before his nut finally cracked. Be a hard nut like Baba it means you must have extra sweetness on the inside. Here’s hoping you get to taste it!
Has disconnecting from your path helped you discover who you are? That is the only message out there, no one cares how you get it, as long as you get it!!
Stop moaning about what you didn't get from your Guru and take responsibility and nurture all the moments that connected you with your true nature. Throwing a bit of gratitude in the mix might lift your state of mind for starters!
Has disconnecting from your path helped you discover who you are? That is the only message out there, no one cares how you get it, as long as you get it!!
Stop moaning about what you didn't get from your Guru and take responsibility and nurture all the moments that connected you with your true nature. Throwing a bit of gratitude in the mix might lift your state of mind for starters!
I was close to both Baba and Gurumayi as a child and teenager. I just heard recently she disappeared.
This lack of integrity depresses me beyond words. It makes me question so much - how dare she walk away from such an honor, this lineage she walks away from has affected so many throughout the world. I am angry, I can't imagine Baba would have wanted this in his legacy!
But I gave up on what she made SDYA into a long time ago...
Krishnabai
Happy Gurupurnima, my fellow seekers, skeptics, & devotees. I wish to share a little about my story and to say thanks for creating this blog site. I met Gurumayi at SF ashram in 1992, I was 19 years old, and I had been meditating and practicing yoga for about 2 years on my own. I remember sitting in Shakti Mandap, surrounded by a sea of scintillating devotees, the pink and blue lights glowing softly, the chant rising and falling, pulsing, Gurumayi's voice calling out to us. My heart suddenly broke open, like an egg that just cracked, and I started weeping, like I had never wept before. I couldn't understand what was happening, all I knew is that I felt this ancient aching in my heart, like a sadness & a joy, and a longing all at once. I remember leaving the ashram, and everything around me seemed to glow like crystalline light. I felt the purity and sweetness of my own heart, my own being. I would look at Gurumayi's and Baba's pictures and feel a familiarity, an ache, a longing, a resonance, a feeling that I am penetrated, that I can laugh at myself and love myself, that I am good. I would look into other devotees eyes, and feel this same resonance, this feeling that we share a bond, we are a shakti-family.
Around year 2000, I organically shifted from practicing SY to Tibetan Buddhism. Both SY and Buddhism have always been dear to my heart, yet I have felt a need to ultimately choose one path. One thing that has always bugged me, that I have seen both with SY and Tibetan Buddhism, is a tendency for the practitioners to judge any other path as not being as valid a path to enlightenment. I personally feel that truth is too great to be conveyed through any one culture or spiritual path or practice... I resonate with many, in the same way that different relationships in my life mirror different parts of myself. I felt turned off by various aspects of SY, which over time became more prevalent to me... primarily, why did they charge so much for intensives? Where was that money going? It also bugged me that Gurumayi always had a mysterious air about her, not accessible and entirely human. I didn't like the rock-star/ groupie relationship that devotees had with her, and the inevitable comparing and jealousy and grasping that came up as a result. I also felt that a lot of our "humanness," our human psyches, our sexuality, our shadow parts, were not fully acknowledged or discussed, or allowed to be present. Things were a bit too neat and pat for me within the SY philosophy- any emotion or energetic expression was a "kriya" and everything difficult was always "purification." For those of us that did not find celibacy to be easy, it seemed we had to suppress our sexuality in order to live at the ashram, or else it would leak out in guilty ways (having sex on the roof at Gurudev Siddha Peeth- yikes, my secret is out!) It always just seemed that there were certain topics that were taboo, and healthy skepticism and questioning was definitely taboo.
So, eight years later, I rarely even think about Gurumayi and SY. I don't even have pictures of her in the house, and all my SY books are packed away in the garage. However, this morning of Gurupurnima, I dreamed about Gurumayi. I did not remember that it was Gurupurnima. I dreamed that I was at the ashram, a chant, maybe arati was about to begin, and we were waiting for Gurumayi to come. Suddenly someone next to me did a full length prostration, and someone said, "she's coming." We put our hands up into prayer position, and then she walked right by me, and stopped, looking right at me. She pointed at me and said, "You've been gone a long time. Where have you been?" I was shocked, and said, "You know that I've been gone?" How would Gurumayi possibly have recognized or remembered me. She said, "I know you've been gone, and the Shakti knows." I started to ask, "Should I stay here? What about Tibetan Buddhism?" When she turned and walked on.
Tonight I went to see Jai Uttal chanting kirtan at Kirtan Camp, and met a fellow Siddha Yoga devotee, which stirred this all up for me again, and I began to wonder, Where is Gurumayi? Which is how I found this site.
Anway, this is all very interesting to me. I really could believe anything at this point about SY, all sides of the picture seem valid and true... SY could be a big money-making scam, Gurumayi could be an authentic real-deal awakened-one, or maybe she took our money and retired in Jamaica, who knows? I do know that SY helped me to access my heart in ways that I didn't know existed prior. I know it introduced a way of recognizing the world as all one consciousness, all people are God, the heart is the hub of all sacred places. It is all based on very ancient and tried and true practices, Om Namah Shivaya does NOT belong to the Siddha Foundation.
I am curious about what happened to Gurumayi- why would she pre-record a New Year's talk? Why would the SY Foundation be so mysterious about her whereabouts if there were not something to cover up?
I was involved with SY at a UK ashram from 1989, and found the teaching much in tune with my eclectical spiritual learning from elsewhere. I did learn from it.
However, I finally left a couple of years later after a TV link of GM from Ganeshpuri to a large meeting in London. I was appalled when, following her message, where she concluded by telling us to seek the inner guru, and certainly "not" to worship her; the entire audience arose and danced and chanted in adoration of her!!!
No wonder she has to do things like disappear for a while.
I left SY at that point.
There is a lot of spiritual deception in this world, mostly promulgated by the "followers" of an enlightened person. They then ( sometimes unconciously) corrupt the truth to enable them to manipulate others.
The Christian churches have been doing it for 2,000 years. They told lies about virgin birth, resurrection, ascension, transubstantiation, (and consequent cannibalism) and deification of a man who never made such claims for himself. Indeed they still do this today, deceiving millions of believers.
The kingdom of heaven is within, but most are too lazy to seek it there.
Meditation is the way to Inner Peace. Over decades this may produce individual enlightenment; provided one lives in the present moment, not expecting, or even hoping for it.
Insofar as SY teaches meditation, it does good. That there is also corruption within it, is only the human condition.
I have been practising Siddha Yoga for 28 years and love that Gurumayi is not available as a public commodity. As a young student i could not afford to go and see Baba as he travelled around the globe, so my focus was on the practices,and I saw him and spent time with hm on the inside. It was truly wonderful. As a result I have continued to enquire into the guru principle ie the guru being alive in the world and all of creation and the practices as my means of tuning in at a deep level. I love the gurus of this path and have never felt closer to them as I have this year. I get an immense amount out of studying and contemplating the guru's words and my study group, I do a lot of seva and find my experience of that extraordinary. I am constantly challenged by my mind, doubts and what life throws up for me to deal with... however the practices, the teachings and sangham help keep me focused on what really sustains and maintains a good and fulfilling life: the love within. I have never felt closer or more connected to my love for Gurumayi and her love and care for me. The love Baba spoke of and the promise of Siddha Yoga as a path to being deeply connected to an extraordinary love is certainly coming true for me. I am trmendously grateful for all I am receiving.
It hasn't always been that way. I have been through times where I really questioned, doubted, feared and held strong judgement about and against what I saw was going on in SY, and on many occasions felt like leaving SY... and spent many years practising on my own and in my own way... and then about 14 years ago I made a big commitment to the inner light and began to deepen my enquiry into the real nature of the mind, heart and love at the essence of life... and as a result I was drawn like a magnet back into the core of my Shaktipat connection: a profound experience of love and understanding, a deep sense of being in the presence of my own inner love, my own inner light.
My experience now is that I know who I am I know where I am at.
I see myself and life as a web of complexities challenges strange mysteries... I can see the` awesome power of my mind and how it can lead me so far from the quintessential experience of love and compassion at the core of life... and I am challenged by this on a daily basis. I see this mind and viewpoint is my own, and I work with it.
So if i was to answer where is Gurumayi? Where is Baba? Where is Bhagawan?
I can see them on my walls. I can feel their presence in my heart. I see them every time I sit to meditate. I feel their love and warmth as I move through the day.
And I am humbled, grateful and mystified by this great gift.
I do not have the mind to understand how this works... but then again, I don't understand how an egg gets boiled either... i just know I am being cooked by a profound and inner love... and well, I just love it. What a blessed thing to have in my life.
The truth is inside you. One does not need a Guru to be at peace.
Meditate and be compassionate.
Do good works to others. Take good
care of yourselves and of the world. Look after the earth.
The Divine is within all of us.
Practice kindness at all times.
Best regards
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Followers of Gurumayi, write on Google "The brother of Gurumayi", under "images" and you can follow this account of the terrible things that have happened to this guru. Thanks. Best to ask for her repentance and for her to become a normal person. She is too young to lead this organization and too immature, suffused in the wrong teachings. These are incorrect teachings. Follow Jesus or Buddha or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
I've been in SY on and off since 1991 and still consider it my spiritual path. I go through months without chanting or meditating and I feel guilty when I don't. I used to visit the center every month (2 hr commute for me), but I haven't been in over 8 months. My father, who introduced me into SY, says that GM is away and allowing us to visit the true Guru which is inside us all. That is where she lives and we can communicate with her there at all times. That feels ok I suppose, but I do wish I could hear her talk again in the physical form and see her on live events.
Even when I consider other spiritual paths such as Christianity or Buddhism I ask myself why? SY makes the most sense and the teachings really "click" inside of me, but I don't know why I can't get into it anymore??
The person who posted this, along with those who agree with this persons post, are indeed sick. You people don't know the true meaning of prayer, and are just thinking that it will "just happen", and everything will be bliss in ones empty life.
God exists, GM is not God, but she is a Guru. Sounds like some on this blog don't know the difference. That is an important point. One should be able to pray on their own, and with a guru. But, a lot of you don't know the basis of Hinduism, yoga, etc, so that's why you may feel this way.
I really wish you all well, and by the way, to the idiot who posted the original comment named "seek her", you shouldn't use the word "He*l", especially when talking about a person of faith...didn't your mother teach you anything at all? I doubt it.
Also, "...just be honest and kind..." according to you, but your words and tone is not. Quite hypocritical, don't you think? If you are getting so mad about a few times a Guru hasn't showed up, then I suggest you go down to your local yoga center and just meditate there. You might get upset if the center's owner closes down for a few days for holiday.
Jai Shri Krishna, Jai Shria Ram
I met Swami Muktananda in 1981 in Santa Monica and had a consciousness expanding experience that I have read others describe with pinpoint accuracy. I spent as much time as I could meditating with him and practicing meditation. Over the years my practices faded but not my love and memory of my profound experiences. I went to South Fallsburg in 1999 and participated in an intensive with Gurumayi with similar profound experiences. Again I meditated and my practice fell away. A few years ago I started looking for Gurumayi and was perplexed to find that she had disappeared. I have enjoyed reading this blog and I thank you for starting it. My wish is that what Baba gave so freely in the early days was still available to those who seek it. I always wanted to introduce my children to Baba or Gurumayi and that possibility appears to be gone for now.
Love to you all..
I was looking for Gurumayi because in her presence I am able to contact something within myself directly that is difficult to do on my own. Strangely, just reading this conversation about Siddha Yoga has cleared away a little mental dust.
I basically grew up in Siddha Yoga and my life has been colored by the love of the Guru all the way.
I've also had my doubts in these 18 years of sadhana. I have also read all that stuff on leavingsiddhayoga.org and see many people come and go over the years. Nonetheless I have seen very few Siddha Yoga students. People who take the teachings to heart. I mean it is easy to complain, it is easy to make statements about other people. Gurumayi hasn't gone anyway for true Siddha Yoga students. She is alive, very alive and present in our lives. Her teachings are the rays that guide us all the way. There are so many people who are in fact happy of these changes in Siddha Yoga. I mean Siddha Yoga in the 90's was "easy" to practice. There was an overflow of pouring in... but the fact is, very few people in fact DID sadhana... and I mean daily meditation, study of the teachings, seva, dakshina, chanting and so on. It was almost impossible to take all we received to a deeper level. It was so easy... we received love from Gurumayi in her physical form and all was ok, we thought we were real "siddha yogis". But what happens when Gurumayi asks us to take responsibility of our own sadhana? Suddenly everyone dissapears, seva is not worth doing if she is not physically there... if she can't smile at you and make you feel important. Before criticizing the SYDA and the rest of the world, including Gurumayi... why don't you take a close look at your capacity to be a student, to imbibe the teachings. Gurumayi has been repeating over the past years that we need to assimilate and apply the teachings to our lives. What is the use of seeing her all the time if we don't follow her teachings? Baba did his sadhana intensely during 9 years with total devotion, every single day with the certitude that the command of his Guru was going to bear fruit. But you can't plant bananas and expect mangoes to grow!
As soon as Gurumayi doesn't show up at your whim then you start doubting about your Guru. Why don't you doubt about your capacity to be a disciple!?
There is so much we have received already what else do we need?? And still there is A LOT we can do. There is the Home Study course, the focus of study for each year, study guides, the Mahasamadhi intensive and so much more.
There are 10000s of ways to connect to your Guru... be creative! The point of Siddha Yoga is to recognize the presence of God WITHIN. So why all this fuss about where is Gurumayi?! You know it... she is in your heart!
And by the way her physical form is in SMA. I know that from many students who are on staff there right now. But yes, the focus is not on her but on OUR sadhana.
My 2 cents on the discussion!
Good luck to all... and BE HAPPY! Jaya Shri Gurumayi!
My first 'life' was prior to shaktipat - lost, confused and searching.
My second 'life' began with this tremendous awakening from Neem Karoli Baba (who wasn't in his body at the time). Gurumayi 'called' me in in 1983 as I needed a living teacher.
I left SY in 1993 or so, drifted away really. For ten years I was a Gurumayi bhakti, living in Ashrams, intensely doing the practices, not questioning and putting my faith in the Siddha path. So many beautiful experiences of who I am at the core. So many experiences of hell also, particularly the SY culture in various ashrams. I can express a SY truism in that 'the shakti lead me to go'.
My third 'life' began after leaving SY. I explored what was within me without any hand rails. I was desperate at that time in that I felt that i had lost God, lost love, and had been abandoned, but I wanted to know what was here, without belief, without structure. I wanted to know what was true, and I still do. A freedom descended that I had not experienced in SY. The path of healing and wholeness unfolded before me over the next fifteen years, and what a delight they have been. What was felt to be lost or abandoned was found to be always here, quite unlosable even in our/God's little game of hide and seek. I have been able to question everything and I have found the process wonderful! I have gratefully sat with various teachers that have appealed to me at the time, and opened me to new ways of looking at life and the Divine.
Once, when i was in Central Australia in the desert, I dreamt of Gurumayi after many years of having not. I asked her in the dream how I could be closer to her. She smiled at me and said 'you're independent'. And i am, dependent on the 'in'.
I have found that the mind needs exercise and questioning makes it limber, and that all paths find me at the Divine mothers feet within this One's heart. What an incredibly blessed life. To see and feel the Shakti that is moving and creating all that is around and within - how amazing! This joy that arises as my true nature. I have found that the 'ego' is a lousy enemy and a playful friend/vehicle for the Divine. What a great blessing to have left SY (or did SY leave me?? - doesn't matter which way).
What do I miss about SY? I miss living with a large group of wonderful people from all over the earth - i know, all going thru various stages of kriyas, delusions and powertrips, but very lovable anyway. I miss the group chants - i love chanting and still chant regularly (i must admit that i don't like the GG anymore - started to feel like a chain around my neck) - but love the fast chants and toning (slow OM's). I miss doing seva together - being in the dishroom and letting rip with a good chant was wonderful! I still do seva in various ways in this life, and feel service is an incredible key to happiness (if really done freely and not because I feel any compulsion to do it).
But now, the SY community has expanded to become the world, and chanting is in several different languages and from different traditions. Meditation could mean losing myself in the bliss i feel when i contemplate the creation/creator, or seeing/feeling the light that i am moving up and down the body.
I feel free to just live life and enjoy the creation. I certainly feel free to deeply appreciate what SY and Gurumayi gave me. I am fortunate that I left SY before Gurumayi left it, although there seems to be contradictory stories there - don't know which are accurate there. SY has had an incredible impact on my life - that is why i am here writing this stuff. There is so much conditioning that comes with the SY path, and personally i've found a lot of it very good to leave behind. Trust yourself and follow your heart and your joy. All love, Kate
I can't believe when people like Kate say Gurumayi has left Siddha Yoga! It makes me laugh and it amazes me at the same time!
Just because Gurumayi is as present in her physical form as she used to, it doesn't mean she has left SY.
As someone mentioned before, she wants us to take responsibility of our sadhana. Be real students and committed practitioners of her teachings. I think that she wants us to understand the deeper meaning of the Guru principle in our lives.
She is still giving every year her guidance and this year in particular we are celebrating Baba's legacy and studying her message.
And by the way Stuart I disagree completely with your "truth". You say that "Yeah, SYDA and the gurus gave us ideas and suggested practices that helped provide some people with very nice feelings. Nice feelings come and go. Clinging to or chasing after nice feelings is no good. Better to question and examine deeply the truth of this moment."
It makes me laugh, because if you study Baba's and Gurumayi's words and teachings you'll see that it is not about "nice feelings". It is about finding the knowledge of the Truth. The truth with a capital T. That truth is well beyond the fluctuations of the mind and of the feelings that come and go. The Self, according to the Siddha Yoga tradition, is eternal, unchanging and transcendental.
So no, the mission of SYDA and of Gurumayi is not to provide you with "nice feelings", in fact the transformation of the ego is not always a very "nice feeling".
So again, if you study the message for this year, you'll see that there is much more in this path than just the surface. Once you really connect with your sadhana and study, assimilate and apply the teachings, I can guarantee you that positive transformation will take place in your life. BUT, you have to participate in the process. The Guru is no magician that will come with a magic stick and solve your life and make you have "nice feelings". Sadhana is work... that is why it is called Siddha Yoga PATH... because you have to walk it!!
I love you Gurumayi!
Thank you for all these wonderful years!
- A Siddha Yoga Student
Bade prem se aur sanmaan se sab ka haardik swaagat.
mujhe samajh mein nahi aa raha hai aap log kyun fikar kar rahe hain. jab Gurumayi vaapas aana chaahegi to vo zaroor aayegi. kya Bhagavan Nityananda bhi aisa nahi karte the? Maine sunaa hai ki vo unke kamre mein jaake kisi se baat nahi ki kuch mahine ke liye. Isliye, humen to humaara saadhana karte hi rehna hai; hameshaa aage badhte rehna! Haan main maanta hoon ki Gurumayi ke bina aap log udaas hue hain. Main bhi udaas hoon. Lekin jo Gurumayi kar rahi hai mujhe yakeen hai ki vo humaare liye achcha hoga. Jitna prem humen hai Gurumayi se, utna se zyaada bhi prem karti hai Gurumayi humse. Humen to drudha bharosa rakhna chaahiye. Bhagavan to hamesha humaare paas hai; arre Vo to humaare saanson mein bhi rehta hai aur kya chaahiye? Agar vishwaas hai, to Bhagavan humaara khayaal rakhega; Vo kabhi humko akela nahi chhod dega. Isliye, mein kehta hoon ki aap log fikar na kijiye. Vaise ho jaayiye jo Bhagavan ko pasand mein aata hai. Gurumayi to mera Bhagavan hai to mere liye, jo Gurumayi ko pasand mein aata hai vo ho jaane de. Mujhe aasha hai ki jo maine yahi likha hai vo aapko kuch naye soch denge. Gurumayi ne humko sahi raasta dikhaaya hai. Guru Gita mein hum gaate hain:
Andhakaara se humen nikaala
dikhalaaya hai amara ujaala
Gurumayi vahi Sadguru hai humaari jo humen geheraa andheron se nikaal diya hai. Yeh swayam Bhagavan hai; ek sant jo ek
"human" shareer mein basi hai. Shaayad aap log nahi maan lenge meri baatein lekin mujhe lagta hai ki jo mujhe kehna tha maine pura keh diya.
Apna khayaal rakhna!
Akhanda Naama-smarana!
Sadgurunaath Maharaj Ki Jaya!
mera dost (aur shayad meri sakhi), apke shabdon ke liye bahut bahut dhanyavad!!!
maim bhi aisa sochta hum! meri jaan hi sirf mere Gurudev ke liye hai!
jay shri Gurumayiji ho!
sadgurunaath mahaaraaj ki jay!
Who's Gurumayi? Please, anyone...?
Dude it's called google, use it.
It's funny how many of the active Siddha Yogis responding to Gurumayi's disappearance on this blog are saying that she just wants her students to "find the Guru within"; she wants them to "not be dependent on the external form of the Guru"; she wants her students to "focus on the Shakti within" and she's "separating the Bhaktis from the boys". Many of these commentors have a sarcastic tone which subtly or overtly ridicules those who post here, wondering "where the hell" Gurumayi is.
Maybe these commentors are new to Siddha Yoga, or else maybe they have simply forgotten, but for most of the years of Gurumayi's Guru-ship, the PR department has been cranking out messages non-stop, proclaiming the absolutely CRUCIAL importance of having an active, PHYSICAL Guru in one's life for success in sadhana. This message was stated and restated in a hundred thousand different ways: YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO A PHYSICAL GURU! That was the whole point of Siddha Yoga; the whole point of Baba Muktanada appointing successors.
Muktananda was active till the very last days of his life: giving shaktipat, meeting with devotees, and embodying the personal, physical form of the Guru. Bagawan Nityananda did the very same thing right up to the last days of his life. And when Gurumayi succeeded Muktananda, she did the same -for a while. Then she stopped giving "the touch." Then she stopped giving darshan. Then she withdrew completely. Gurumayi, the "Perfect Siddha Master", who, "by a mere thought, touch, word, look" could give you shaktipat initiation, had withdrawn from meeting with the public.
So yes, people are wondering where the hell she is. And no, we do not buy this flimsy excuse that she is merely trying to "point us inward" with her disappearance. Look around: the world still needs help; The world still needs physical, available, personal, "Perfect Siddha Masters." If there are any. Look at Ammachi; she is older than Gurumayi, and yet she still personally meets (and hugs) thousands of people every every day.
If Muktananda hadn't intended to have a successor who was actually physically available, then why do you think he appointed successors in the first place??? Why didn't he just say to worship his photo and find the Guru within?
So, yes, there are manifuld, glaring inconsistencies in Siddha Yoga today, and that is why so many people are disaffected, angry, and most of all: deeply hurt. All current, active Siddha Yogis posting here would do well to cut the sarcastic, ridiculing tone from their postings.
To active Siddha Yogis: My experience is that there is still a lineage of disembodied Masters still very much active in Siddha Yoga, and still transmitting Shakti to students, regardless of Gurumayi's spiritual state or physical whereabouts. So yes, active students of Siddha Yoga, go for it, you will be supported. If you choose to ignore the gigantic inconsistencies in the Ashrams and centers of Siddha Yoga, I commend you for your "one pointed devotion." As Gurumayi used to tell the story: whenever we meditate one-pointedly on a beloved object, even if it is a beloved pet goat, that meditation will bear fruit.
I wish peace and understanding to all who currently practice, or formerly practiced Siddha Yoga. This includes Gurumayi and her brother.
Hi everyone.
I believe that true gurus exist.But I think that is so hard to find them that we should concentrate in the inner meditation and not in the search of an intermediary. Most of people, including me when I was young, always are in a search of somebody who can "awake" them.
I am not an anti-guru, but the true is that we can be easily fooled.
I only trust in facts and self-experience, I must experience the spirit myself, I trust that I can find God without an intermediary.
I want to Experience God myself and I don't need that anybody tell me about him, I want to see and feel it myself
Thanks for this Blog.
While this is all interesting, we are not focusing on the right thing. The true guru is within, the higher self. I KNOW this to be true! Do not get caught up in the drama and rumors. They are not important and just give the mind more to get lost in. Gurumayi is my beloved guru and I trust she would not do anything to harm Siddha Yoga or her devotees. Like I honor her, she honors Baba Muktananda, who entrusted to her his gem of Siddha Yoga.
Gurumayi is beginning to do something new and exciting in Siddha Yoga. Yes, her methods are different than any previous gurus and masters, but everything happens for the best. The Siddha Yoga message for 2003: TRUST!
OM NAMAH SHIVAYA
I went many times at the oakland ashram and was amazed at
the faith of the people there. I went to a course to learn meditating and I had some genuine experience. So I decided to go further.
I spent an month doing the 1992 summer intensive.
What I was sold? An opportunity to get the teaching of a living guru.
It was implied that the whole session would be directed by gurumayi.
In fact during the intensive, we hardly saw her. Probably 4 hours to 6 hours at most in the whole month. That was a scam, plain an simple.
But as any scam, one has trouble to admit he was swindled.
WE WANT TO BELIEVE. Also, we live in a world where everything
is oversold. But that should probably not happen for spiritual things.
Quite the opposite, we want so much to find _the_ path that we
are born suckers for the first seducing crap we come across.
We escape the religion we were raised from to choose something
exotic enough to please our fancy.
So, I had to read the stuff in the New Yorker to open my eyes.
But back at the ashram...
Many things made me ill at ease. We were constantly asked to
buy books and other stuff. Also we were repeatedely said not
to listen gossips about the guru. Not that I heard any, but eventually I got thinking : is there anything she want to hide? What is all this stuff about
image control?
There was a seducing mumbo-jumbo about trantic shivaism
but the main message, and the real one, was very simplistic. It boiled
to "If I had faith on her" everything would shine. I should crush my
ego but somehow I felt that she should crush her own too so surrounding to her felt very dangerous.
One day of the intensive, I attended a mass where everyone had to bow at her feet and I had the curious impression that she paid more attention to the people who somehow could bring here more power and money. Also, she had
a smile placated on her face, but I somehow felt she was bored.
But then again, I remembered the subliminal message brought in so many disguised way : If the guru does not pay attention to you, you are not worthy
and you should try harder to crush you ego.
This stuff about crushing one ego was constantly repeated. Over and over.
Somehow it reminded me the catholic "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you,"
which made me secretly cringe.
Somehow I remembered about Louis XIV and his courtisans who
spent all their time to try to capt the attention of the king. I knew
that this ritual was a way for the king to control the nobles.
So I left the New York ashram very insatisfied and ashamed of myself. And I felt
somehow unworthy. As a result, I did not voice my doubts to anyone.
May be most of the people at the intensive felt like me but did shut
up their feelings.
I had to go back in Europe, so I left this SYDA stuff.
Now I understand I have been manipulated by a money making machine.
A probably genuine tradition has been turned over its head and this is very dangerous
because the "traditional" stuff hides the real nature of the SYDA organisation.
The people who taught me meditation at the oakland ashram were genuine
and I feel doubly sorry for them. They follow a fake guru and lead more
people to her.
As for gurumayi, it seems that she got enough money and does not care
about the SYDA. For all I know, in 1992, she was not even doing the bare minimum to pretend what she was said to be. So I am not surprised to
learn she has vanished. But I am surprised that everything has not immediately collapsed behind her. It means that people around her knew everything but felt in their interest to continue the scam. Were they bent
from the start or did they become so under her influence. Either way,
I feel that any kind of power has a corruptive power. One comment
says "Maybe they act out of mistaken loyalty to some idea about spirituality. ".
so they may be sincere after all. But corruption, there is, if only of their
sanity.
What I learned? That the best people can be fooled. Also there is the mass effect, where you are caught among many people alile. you are lead to think and behave as they do. This can be great because there is an amplifying effect,
but one have to choose carefully the events to attend.
Also, as often with power, the head is corrupt when many of its followers
are sincere. Often, you can't judge the head because you can't directly interact
with her but the behavior of the close entourage tells you much if you pay attention.
Trust your feelings, if you feel you don't belong somewhere, act accordingly.
Don't feel unworthy. Share your feelings especially if somehow you are asked
to repress them. If this lead to a clash, you probably are in the wrong crowd.
Or you will discover you are not the only one to doubt, maybe for a good reason. Find people worthy instead.
And bless Internet that let dissident voices to be heard. That's reconforting
in a world that constantly tries to format people one way or another.
Ho. And finally. Sorry for my French :)
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